After a contest of humility between the two patriarchs, as to who
should speak first, Dominic, urged by Francis to take the lead,
said to him: --"You excel me in humility, and I will excel you in
obedience." He then gave the cardinal this answer: --"My lord, my
brethren may well consider themselves as holding a very elevated
rank. What is there more honorable than teaching others from the
Evangelical pulpit? What should well-thinking minds desire more
than to be employed in defence of the faith, and to combat the
enemies of the Church? For this reason I strenuously desire that my
brethren may remain as they are, and I will keep them so as long as
I can
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